From the Pod - Quantum Society. Take the link there for the full discussion. Very 'enlightening'.
http://pods.zaadz.com/liberate_yourself/discussions/view/2108#25162
I'm pasting this here so I don't lose it!
This is pretty serious (deep) discussion. Bran, seems like you and Tia are kindred spirits.
An absolutely beautiful dance you two have woven into a tapestry of typed text for those of us interested to enjoy. You energies are like a good salsa rumba!!!
Perhaps the invitation should read: So you think you can dance?
I actually will admit, I'm not that great of a dancer… and although I'm fully aware of my ego, it hears you when you say “I'll keep this simple”…
I'm not into levels, but as you eloquently illustrate, the words or labels are not the 'the'… However I look at the process of making it complex or simple; just variations of translation.
I guess when it comes to my translations, you could label me a nimble nitwit. But in the sense of illusion, I'm not the nitwit and you're not the keeping it simple… we're equivalent to being our own individual twigs and yet there's the invisible that connects. None of which is really real.
I read these posts and the language they are spoken in to illustrate your interpretation of the vast unknown and whether this stuff is real, not real or whether it matters (matter being) or not matters.
I absolutely love your 'cage rattler' and couldn't agree more (if I'm reading you right) that who the 'ef cares if its all an illusion… like it or not, I still have to function in the reality we perceive that is solely based upon relationships. Our state of being depends upon the variance to the neutral state we have in regards to these relationships.
I also read this discussion to be the disovery of finding a purpose in a human experience, being co-creator to amass a bigger or better reality… or as fellow zaadz'ster Desmond says, “Be Spirits Breathing Consciously”.
So, to illusion or not to illusion
Any optical image can be converted into a mathematical equivalent (Fourier transforms) of interference patterns, the information that results when wave superimpose on each other. With this method, something is transferred that exists in time and space into the 'spectral domain' - another language for the timeless and space-less relationship between wave, measured as energy. The cool part is taking the equations and reversing them. Taking the pieces and parts that represent the interactions of waves - their frequency, amplitude and phase - and use them to construct any image.
(source: Pribram, Brain and Perception: 27 | McTaggart, The Field: 82-4)
Hence the totally cool invention and weirdness of a hologram.
Pribram theorized when we observe the world, we do so on a much deeper level than a sticks-and-stones world 'out there'. Our brains talks to 'itself' AND to the rest of the body (which I could argue is the definition of 'the mind'). But not with words, images, bits or chemical impulses but in the language of interference: the language of phase, amplitude an frequency, (the spectral domain).
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Quick diversion: There's some other great stuff on Biophoton emissions… we actually produce light… no really we do. Just as we eat plant vegetation does the whole process of photosynthesis close the loop (or one loop) of our Galactic respiration. We metabalize it, extract the CO2 and absorb and eliminate the water, but we also uptake the photons stored in the plant from the sun. The 'light' is an electromagnetic wave and when taken in, the photons dissipate with even distribution over the entire spectrum of electromagnetic frequencies. This energy has been theorized to be teh driving force for all the molecules in the body. F.A. Popp when on to prove we do in fact emit light and it has enormous potentials to treat dis-ease states via homeopathy.
Source: B. Ruth and F.A. Popp, Experimentelle Untersuchungen zur ultraschwachen Photoemission biologisher Systeme: 1976; 31c: 741-5
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ok… back on track -
We percieve an object when we 'resonate' with it. We get in sync with it. Perhaps this defines synhcronicity? Brings to light something I love to say… “I'm waveing on the same length”. Or perhaps more in 'tune' with the classical approach of the Wave Function, where by the collapse of every potential possibly except for the one chosen, causes the resonance, therefore we percieve it.
Now, think if you apply intention to the resonance, do you have the ability to control the actual creation of what you 'see'? And if so, does the original thing that was resonating (or to be resonated) into an optical image change and become a different optical illusion?
Pribram was able to prove that we perceive with our whole systems. We take in information, assemble it in the wave scenarios above, we don't actually 'see' the object in our heads or retina's, but in 3 dimensions in the world 'out there'. So do we project a virtual image of the object in space time? Is the object really there? Or are we communicating in the 'spaces' you mention in such a way that causes our resonance (instantaneously - much faster than the speed of light) to produce a virtual object we both perceive to be real?
As McTaggart points out: “The art of seeing is transforming”. So if I'm reaching out to grab a branch from your tree (because I'm falling due to getting whapped up side the head with a wake up stick - yea that stick is real 'cuz it HURT ;-)… I digress. So If I'm reaching out to grab your branch I'm projecting the 3D space time image projection of that on my retina (why else would we have it) and by doing so three things could possibly occur:
- I actually grab it because it actually 'out there' (but I'm just creating a projection of it) and whew… I'm safe.
- I grab it because its not really there, but 'our' empty space is resonating faster than light and we both create the projection of the branch and by doing so create the 'illusion' that is there and the space sends a message… “hey you didn't fall, you're safe'. But perhaps none of that actually existed save for some superlightspeed sub-atomic –> molecular –> cellular –> macro-cosmic perception telepathy or psychokinesis.
- Achieving quantum coherance where by subatomic particles know about each other and are linked by electromagnetic fields so they can communicate…
- thus manifesting the projection. Arguably our percieved reality.
- #1 is not true, I fall on my ass and as Uncle Rico says in Napolean Dynamite, “She brok'er her Cockicks” OR you say go fuck yourself and the branch dematerializes and I still break my cockicks. (ok… that was 4 things)
We know the 'brain' can't differentiate between a memory and what's real. Further research shows that our 'memory' is not located in the brain (in its totality) but distributed across our bodies and further theorized that the information is stored in a vast Field (Zero Point Field, Unified, M or Everything Theories) for us to call upon… which keep the lowest level of vibration going giving some fun stuff to thing about with regards to the Zero Point Field staying alive (In my feeble opinion - IMFO).
So this may or may not give any insight into the illusion vs. no illusion… and IMFO exerts validity that our word is in fact a simple projection. Now the trick is to postulate, is there 'stuff out there' that were all perceiving, resonating with and projecting back… or is it all just a construct of our emptiness.
Moving in this direction takes me into the world on the neuro sciences where truly fascinating modern research is showing us how our perception of phyiscal bodies are dominantly controlled by our emotions or lack there of.
However I'll leave it to the 'universe' to continue the dance…
Desire to Inspire,
-Stu
Quantumly Inspired